In plain words
Barry’s first video taught two scales, the major sixth diminished and the minor sixth diminished; later he added the seventh diminished scale and the seven flat five diminished scale. He said he had found the two sixth scales before he came to New York, and the other two much later, in New York.
Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales0:00The 23 May Zoom class, part 121:31
All four are built the same way. The chords Barry drew from the diminished (dominant 7, minor 6, major 6, 7♭5) each use notes of only two of the three diminished chords. His ‘secret’ question: what do you do with the third diminished, none of whose notes are in the chord? Put it with the chord, and you have the scale. In C6, E and G come from one diminished and C and A from another; with B7 the one to add is C♯ diminished.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:035:38The 23 May Zoom class, part 122:07
So on any root the four scales share one diminished chord, the one built on the scale’s second degree, and differ only in the chord it alternates with: on C, the B diminished goes with C6, C minor 6, C7 or C7♭5. Each gives eight notes, chord tone and diminished note in turn.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale5:38Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶63Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64
Barry told guitarists at a talk in Spain that there are four scales you really should know, because nobody else is going to tell you. Learn the scale of chords and your instrument becomes connected: you move across it horizontally instead of chord to chord. He singled out the dominant 7 with the flat five; he had never heard the well-known guitarists use it.
Step by step
Take the chord and find the diminished chord that none of its notes belong to. For C7, C comes from C diminished and E, G, B♭ from C♯ diminished, so the one to add is B diminished.
C7- C
- E
- G
- B♭
The third diminished (B, D, F, A♭)- B
- D
- F
- A♭
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:03The 23 May Zoom class, part 122:07
Put them together for the seventh diminished scale: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ♭6, ♭7, 7.
C seventh diminished scale- C
- D
- E
- F
- G
- A♭
- B♭
- B
Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales0:00Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64
Do the same with the 7♭5 chord (C E G♭ B♭ with the same B diminished) for the seven flat five diminished scale: 1, 2, 3, 4, ♭5, ♭6, ♭7, 7.
C seven flat five diminished scale- C
- D
- E
- F
- G♭
- A♭
- B♭
- B
Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales0:00Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), Official Barry Harris Thread (jazzguitar.be forum thread) ¶1545
Play each as a scale of chords, like the sixth diminished scales: on each note of the scale, an inversion of the seventh chord and then of the diminished, in turn.
C7- C
- E
- G
- B♭
diminished- D
- F
- A♭
- B
C7, first inversion- E
- G
- B♭
- C
diminished, next inversion- F
- A♭
- B
- D
Believe: a talk to musicians53:12Barry Harris (on video); Howard Rees (producer, The Barry Harris Workshop Video Part 2: product page and 156-page workbook table of contents ¶20jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), How do you use Barry Harris’s Dom. 7th dim and Dom 7th b5 scales? ¶66
How he said to practise it
Take all four scales on one root up and down, then in contrary motion: the order of the harmony chapter in Barry’s second workshop video.
Treat them as something new to learn and get them under your fingers: Barry said you should really be able to play the scale of chords on your instrument.
Moving the scale in chords, also practise moving only the top and bottom voices.
The C7♭5 scale in drop 2, and a tritone trick1:59
In Barry’s words
Each one plays from the moment he says it. Every other moment he teaches it is listed below.
I added two scales, the seventh diminished scale and the seven flat five diminished scale.
But now here’s the secret. If those four chords came from two diminishes, what do you do with [the] other?
There are four scale[s]... you should know, and you really should know them.
When you learn... a scale of chord[s], your instrument becomes connected all up.
Where this comes from
Everything above is drawn from these. Open any one to check it.
Every moment he teaches it9 moments in 5 recordings
Each time opens the transcript there; the video plays when you are online.
Movement, not chords: the sixth diminished scales
- 0:00
Names the four: major and minor sixth diminished first, then the seventh and seven flat five diminished added.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale
Believe: a talk to musicians
The 23 May Zoom class, part 1
The C7♭5 scale in drop 2, and a tritone trick
From the lessons2 lessons, 9 points
Notes taken from Barry’s classes, each tied to the moment it comes from.
From chords to a scale of chords
- Exercise
Take a chord and practise moving its notes in every possible way: move the top and the bottom, or only the left hand. Barry says that when he hits a chord he wants to know how to move everything, and he relates this to knowing the diminished around it. Sometimes simply leaving one note where it is sounds pretty.
- Idea
Barry demonstrated simply going up one of these scales on E-flat in chords and letting his ear tell him where to go. For him a chord becomes a scale: chording, he says, has to be learned as scales, and that is the only way to real creativity. On F6, for example, he notes that he has the C and also the D-flat to work with.
- Exercise
- Idea
- Idea
Barry said that even good guitar players do not know the scale of chords unless they have been in his class, and that he never heard any of them use the dominant seventh with a flat five, a chord he clearly loves. There are four scales of chords you should know; once you learn them your instrument becomes connected, and you move horizontally through a scale of chords instead of going chord to chord vertically. He said a guitar player is supposed to know everything, and that the instrument is, in his view, perfect.
Building the scale: a sixth chord plus the missing diminished
- Idea
Start from C6 (C, E, G, A). Barry points out that its notes come from two of the three diminished seventh chords: E and G belong to one, C and A to another. The third diminished chord (D, F, A-flat, B) has no notes in C6, so you add it, and C6 plus that diminished chord is the scale: C D E F G A-flat A B. In other words, a major scale with an extra note between the fifth and the sixth.
- Idea
The same method works from other chords. Barry notes that the dominant seventh, minor sixth, major sixth and seventh-flat-five chords all come from two of the diminished chords, then asks his secret question: what do you do with the third diminished, none of whose notes are in those chords? Combine it with them. With B7 the third diminished is C-sharp diminished; take the next inversion and you have B major sixth with that diminished, which together make the B major sixth diminished scale.
Jazz theory, part 5: the sixth diminished scale4:265:035:387:03
- Idea
Every major sixth chord is also a minor seventh chord: C major 6 has the same notes as A minor 7. Barry remembered reading this in his first theory book without seeing why it mattered; later he understood its importance. When you see a minor seventh chord you should know its major sixth, because the major sixth is what makes the sixth diminished scale.
Jazz theory, part 6: every major sixth is a minor seventh0:32Jazz theory, part 4: borrowing diminished notes6:186:53
- Idea
What the scale gives you, according to Barry: it contains not only the dominant of the major key but also the dominant of the relative minor. It also gives you a scale of chords, which you should know. As he builds it he names the chords in turn: six, diminished, six, diminished.
Introducing the sixth diminished scale2:16Practising the sixth diminished scales0:03
In writing6 notes
What his interviews, his students’ class notes and other teachers’ articles add.
Frédéric Galliano notes that alternating chord tones with the diminished built on the scale’s second (2, 4, ♭6, 7) yields only Barry’s four scales plus the plain whole-step/half-step diminished scale. The seventh diminished runs 1 2 3 4 5 ♭6 ♭7 7; the flat-five version 1 2 3 4 ♭5 ♭6 ♭7 7.
Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶63Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶64Frédéric Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris ¶65
Alan Kingstone, asked on a forum, said Barry spoke of both scales but seemed to favour the 7♭5 diminished, because half its notes come from the root and half from the root’s tritone. It is for dominants, and Barry left players to find their own uses.
jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), How do you use Barry Harris’s Dom. 7th dim and Dom 7th b5 scales? ¶15jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), How do you use Barry Harris’s Dom. 7th dim and Dom 7th b5 scales? ¶16
In his 2003 class in The Hague, as written out by Howard Rees, Barry called the seven flat five scale one you always want to learn: every 7♭5 chord is two dominants, so learning six of them gives you all twelve.
Kingstone also suggests swapping in a minor 6 diminished scale on the dominant’s fifth or ♭2 for the seventh or 7♭5 diminished scale. Going from the sixth over the ii to the 7♭5 scale changes the diminished chord, so he says to make it work rhythmically, a triplet helping the change.
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Forum players use the 7♭5 scale for a scale outline on a 7♭5 chord: G7♭5 with F♯ diminished in Desafinado, D7♭5 with E diminished in Take the A Train. Run up and down in eighth notes, it puts the chord tones on the beats.
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The second Barry Harris workshop video opens its harmony chapter with the four scales on C up and down, then contrary motion on them, before two- and three-note versions of the major 6 diminished scale.
How other teachers explain it9 videos, 24 series episodes
Barry’s students, and their students, teaching it their way. A second opinion, not Barry.
- Jazz Harmony According to Barry Harris. PART 3 [SUBTITLES]
The four scales on C with B diminished; the 7♭5 scale as the first four notes of C major and of G♭ major.
38 min, transcript On YouTube
- My Chat With Chris Parks From Things I Learned From Barry Harris
Recalls Barry adding the dominant 7 and 7♭5 diminished scales and showing where they go in tunes.
62 min, transcript On YouTube
- Jazz GUITAR Reflections on BARRY HARRIS
Reflections on Barry’s classes; calls the four scales of chords the way Barry sees harmony.
1.7 h, transcript On YouTube
- Barry Harris 4 Scales Explained
Barry Harris’s four scales explained (from the title).
44 min On YouTube
- Blues comping using all 4 scales of chords EP 71 TILF Barry Harris
Blues comping with all four scales of chords (Things I’ve Learned From Barry Harris, ep. 71, from the title).
14 min, transcript On YouTube
- Barry Harris for Jazz Mandolin Dominant Diminished Chord Scale Pete Martin
Dominant diminished chord scale on mandolin (from the title).
5 min On YouTube
- Barry Harris for Jazz Mandolin Dominant Seventh Flat Five Diminished Chord Scale Pete Martin
Dominant seventh flat five diminished chord scale on mandolin (from the title).
5 min On YouTube
- The Barry Harris Harmonic Method For Classical Pianists Lesson 10 The Dominant 7th/Dim Scale
The dominant 7th diminished scale (lesson 10, from the title).
7 min On YouTube
- The Barry Harris Harmonic Method For Classical Pianists Lesson 11 The Dom 7th b5/ Diminished Scale
The dominant 7th ♭5 diminished scale (lesson 11, from the title).
3 min On YouTube
In the teaching series
Episodes on this idea in the long series by other teachers. Each name opens that whole series in order.
The Labyrinth of Limitations
- Pretty chords in dominant 7 scales YouTube
- The beautiful dominant 7 diminished scale YouTube
- Episode 8: the dominant 7th flat 5 diminished scale YouTube
- Episode 10: the dominant 7th diminished scale YouTube
- Episode 14: the extended family YouTube
- Garden of Forking Paths 3: contrary motion on Autumn Leaves YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 7: a major I-vi-ii-V in two voices YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 16: the scale of scales YouTube
- Little Labyrinth 21: connections in the scale of scales YouTube
Things I’ve Learned From Barry Harris
- Episode 6: Barry’s four scales of chords YouTube
- Episode 65: creating minor lines YouTube
- Episode 69: Autumn Leaves with Barry’s four scales of chords YouTube
- Episode 79: Barry’s scales of chords on a ii-V YouTube
- Episode 106: there’s more to it than 6th diminished YouTube
- Episode 108: using Barry’s scales of chords YouTube
- Episode 164: first step to Barry’s scales of chords YouTube
Where the accounts differ1 point
Students disagree about how much Barry used the two later scales. Several found them barely covered in books and videos, and one did not recall Barry talking about them much; a poster who took his online classes says he discussed the 7♭5 scale a good deal for chords, though not for improvising lines. Chris Parks recalls that once Barry added them he showed what to do with them and put them in tunes.
My Chat With Chris Parks From Things I Learned From Barry Harris9:08jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), Barry Harris, interesting, but... (jazzguitar.be forum thread) ¶150jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), How do you use Barry Harris’s Dom. 7th dim and Dom 7th b5 scales? ¶8jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), How do you use Barry Harris’s Dom. 7th dim and Dom 7th b5 scales? ¶60jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), Official Barry Harris Thread (jazzguitar.be forum thread) ¶1547
Read further5 links
These open on the web.
Free to read
- jazzguitar.be members (usernames kept per post), Official Barry Harris Thread (jazzguitar.be forum thread)
— Posts using the 7♭5 diminished scale for outlines on Desafinado and Take the A Train.
Books and paid courses
- Frederic Galliano, Notes on the Method of Barry Harris (HTML + PDF, updated Jan 2026): scale exercises, chromatic scale, Parker ideas, families, 4 chord scales, moving in fourths, 5-4-3-2, half-step tables, important arpeggios, scale outlines of blues/rhythm/Cherokee/Donna Lee/How High the Moon/Night in Tunisia
attendee-of-videos notes (from Chris Parks’ TILF + Labyrinth + Kingstone) — Frédéric Galliano’s notes write out all four chord scales and show that, apart from the plain diminished scale, no others can be built the same way.
- The Barry Harris Workshop Video Part Two, Howard Rees: ~4h15, 156-page workbook; chapters Improvisation (49 sections), Rhythm Section (17), Harmony (41)
Barry himself (produced and transcribed by Howard Rees) — Barry’s clinic with the C7th and C7th♭5 diminished scales up and down (paid; contents free).
- Fiona Bicket, ‘Tutorial Part II: The Four Important Chord Types and Their Scales’ (20 pp): maj6, min6, dom7, 7b5 from the diminished scale; the four scales; the extended family; whole tone to diminished
student, sold on Barry’s official site — Fiona Bicket’s tutorial on the four chord types and their scales, sold on Barry’s site (paid).
- Inside Barry’s World, Howard Rees YouTube series (from Jan 2026): four scales for chording, voicings, movement, harmonisation, solo development
student (Howard Rees) — Howard Rees’s free ‘Inside Barry’s World’ videos on the four scales for chording.